tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2618029197139250711.post8911187926710012990..comments2024-03-25T03:02:08.418-07:00Comments on Translation Times: Job Offer of the WeekJudy Jenner and Dagmar Jennerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15991071510108619107noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2618029197139250711.post-82293126537729026172010-04-07T02:21:39.181-07:002010-04-07T02:21:39.181-07:00It says that there were 23 quotes for the job..
I...It says that there were 23 quotes for the job.. <br />I like the fact that they refuse to accept MT but then work everything out into unique words as though you can swap the 'equivalents' in and out without worrying about the context and use in the sentence. <br />On another note, I wonder if ProZs new policies for job posts following the petition are going to change the likelihood of these 'job''offers' coming through.<br />Nic ScottNic Scotthttp://www.crosslingo.posterous.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2618029197139250711.post-11188385883096449182010-04-05T15:48:08.040-07:002010-04-05T15:48:08.040-07:00@Devon: thanks for your insightful comment. Yes, u...@Devon: thanks for your insightful comment. Yes, unfortunately writers and translators are in the same boat when it comes to extreme downward pressure on prices. Perhaps this is rooted in the incredibly naive belief that everyone can translate/write. We are also proud of our fellow linguists for thinking these rates are ridiculous. Unfortunately, many linguists around the world still accept them...Judy Jenner and Dagmar Jennerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15991071510108619107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2618029197139250711.post-51035790659548872612010-04-05T08:17:18.752-07:002010-04-05T08:17:18.752-07:00Wow. I didn't realize that translators had to...Wow. I didn't realize that translators had to deal with the same equivalent of content mills in the way the other freelance writers do. Maybe because I revere the work and talent that goes into good translation, I assumed so did everyone else!<br /><br />You know what else is great here? No one got all huffy and defended the rate -- unlike many sites where freelancers who earn a living wage encourage others not to accept insulting wages, and a handful always come out swinging about how blessed and wonderful a fraction of a cent per word is as writers' pay.<br /><br /><br />Good for you, not falling into that pit!<br /><br />Our time and talents are worth a decent, living wage!Devon Ellingtonhttp://devonellington.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2618029197139250711.post-36449249699738760812010-03-26T23:44:26.796-07:002010-03-26T23:44:26.796-07:00@All: thanks for your insightful comments, which a...@All: thanks for your insightful comments, which are much appreciated!<br />Sounds like we are all in agreement that these rates are not acceptable.<br /><br />@Paul: it is wonderful to hear that Proz has taken some action based on your very well-founded complaints. We were very postively surprised, and completely agree with you that this terms of this offer were, beyond being ridiculously low, also very discriminatory. Kudos to you and your colleagues for brining it to Proz's attention.Judy Jenner and Dagmar Jennerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15991071510108619107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2618029197139250711.post-45518753855250183232010-03-22T06:44:56.477-07:002010-03-22T06:44:56.477-07:00Following my complaints and those of other friends...Following my complaints and those of other friends and colleagues, this issue has been resolved satisfactorily. Proz in-house staff have removed the insulting remarks against our colleagues ("No per word math please") and the racial discrimination against people from Asia and the Far East. The outsourcer has also been informed. Fair enough, the horrendously exploitative and slavedriving rates remain, but, until the revolution, that's your free market for you.<br />See http://www.proz.com/job/401782Paulhttp://obrienpaul.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2618029197139250711.post-59101071261546968932010-03-21T23:07:43.616-07:002010-03-21T23:07:43.616-07:00Following my and other people's complaints, th...Following my and other people's complaints, the offensive term "No per word math please" has been removed by proz moderators, which is good. But the racial discrimination still remains ("No Indians, no Pakistanis" etc.), and I've put in another complaint ticket about this.Paulhttp://obrienpaul.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2618029197139250711.post-47651834961032683262010-03-19T16:03:47.232-07:002010-03-19T16:03:47.232-07:00It would be great to know if someone applies for t...It would be great to know if someone applies for this say "job". This is simply ludicrous. I can't believe this is serious... C'mon...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2618029197139250711.post-91327684733833572772010-03-19T13:46:43.075-07:002010-03-19T13:46:43.075-07:00It should also be noted that they practice racial ...It should also be noted that they practice racial discrimination (no Indians, Koreans etc. need apply), which is an absolute disgrace.Paulhttp://obrienpaul.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2618029197139250711.post-64972382738669425222010-03-19T00:31:10.541-07:002010-03-19T00:31:10.541-07:00"No per word math, please" because they ..."No per word math, please" because they don't want you to see their slave rates. The proz-com moderators should do the per word math please and not allow these exploiters to post.Paulhttp://obrienpaul.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2618029197139250711.post-86008681824414123222010-03-18T15:03:06.894-07:002010-03-18T15:03:06.894-07:00I do love that "no per word math, please"...I do love that "no per word math, please". Such postings are truly a delight and a benefit to all. They provide me and others with entertainment, and for the masochistic wannabes in our profession they offer opportunities for suffering that might be difficult to find in more remunerative sectors such as janitorial services or fast food.Kevin Lossnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14727800526216764023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2618029197139250711.post-3566154332430255052010-03-18T14:40:47.874-07:002010-03-18T14:40:47.874-07:00I wish them good luck and many satisfied customers...I wish them good luck and many satisfied customers:-) They will stay on the market for a long long time:)Localization companyhttp://www.tetfa.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2618029197139250711.post-55613646194296409312010-03-18T11:14:08.436-07:002010-03-18T11:14:08.436-07:00The best would be applying with a xy email address...The best would be applying with a xy email address forcing them to pay half of the money per paypal in advance and then never get back to them. As stupid as they are for thinking any professional native speaker would apply i think they would go for it, because competition cant be high and probably they calculate with paying nothing and would pay something to lure someone into the deal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2618029197139250711.post-91504894994354084132010-03-18T10:57:13.680-07:002010-03-18T10:57:13.680-07:00The people at ProZ are run by an astute entreprene...The people at ProZ are run by an astute entrepreneurs who is squeezing the translators' market to fill its wallet. <br /><br />The jobs, all jobs, any job, whatever job no-matter-what is the honey that attracts translators, and translators generate traffic, and traffic generates advertisement, and advertisement generates profit. <br /><br />The persons running ProZ don't care about the profession, they adore Google AdSense and Google's cheques. End of the story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2618029197139250711.post-6714869387019590532010-03-17T18:00:09.671-07:002010-03-17T18:00:09.671-07:00Maybe the people at Proz should put some limits to...Maybe the people at Proz should put some limits to the kind of offers being published. If it were for a good cause (like an NGO or something like that), but it's not!Anne-Sophiehttp://www.go4language.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2618029197139250711.post-64361737372692121352010-03-17T16:23:04.370-07:002010-03-17T16:23:04.370-07:00It's not a joke. I received this job. I was wo...It's not a joke. I received this job. I was wondering whether I'm really bed at maths or they put something wrong. I couldn't believe it!Krzysiekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12155109452357328592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2618029197139250711.post-87719087412036931832010-03-17T15:42:54.740-07:002010-03-17T15:42:54.740-07:00LOL - "No per word math please."
That&#...LOL - "No per word math please."<br /><br />That's hilarious. Even if you get the $2500 and only count the unique words, it still comes out to under 1.9 cents a word. And you'd have to translate 6,380 unique words every day for 3 weeks straight!<br /><br />Are you sure this isn't a joke? ;)Danielhttp://www.spantrans.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2618029197139250711.post-42706041283837212492010-03-17T15:08:09.346-07:002010-03-17T15:08:09.346-07:00I'll be more interested to know if anyone actu...I'll be more interested to know if anyone actually applies for the job. The low pricing game is partially some translators' fault. They are either incompetent or shortselling themeselves by accepting jobs like this.joy mohttp://www.translators-biz-secret.com/noreply@blogger.com